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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 09:12:00 -
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I read Somer's proposal text in full (linked on his site) and if you do, it's pretty obvious IMO that the wording and order of given information is intentionally misleading. Furthermore the claimed intention (provide a service to players to ease in game PLEX selling) makes no business sense in combination with a negative ISK fee unless you include the real money part.
BUT what if the scheme is altered to give out the Jita sell price -1 Mio in fees for the service?
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 09:51:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:I read Somer's proposal text in full (linked on his site) and if you do, it's pretty obvious IMO that the wording and order of given information is intentionally misleading. Furthermore the claimed intention (provide a service to players to ease in game PLEX selling) makes no business sense in combination with a negative ISK fee unless you include the real money part.
BUT what if the scheme is altered to give out the Jita sell price -1 Mio in fees for the service? Indeed, it was designed to sound like it was purposely avoiding RMT while in actual fact facilitating it. As for the altered scheme, I'd say that it's still mixing up in game items with real cash, and is dangerous ground to leave open. Additionally, I think Somer have used up all of their "benefit of the doubt" cards. It wouldn't be unreasonable for CCP to disallow Somer's use of any GTC affiliate program through any reseller.
The challenge with this hypothetical alteration of the scheme is, it would set Somer almost* in par with any other 3rd party service like our beloved killboards ... we all are sure, linking in game ISK-valued benefits for real money (wherever it comes from) is RMT and bad; but non-(direct)-ISK-valued benefits are ok?
* There is still one maybe crucial difference to killboards and news sites, in case of Somer there is a hard link between the affiliate program generating the real money and the in-game benefit, though you could argue this rule to be required to prevent abuse etc.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:26:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:I read Somer's proposal text in full (linked on his site) and if you do, it's pretty obvious IMO that the wording and order of given information is intentionally misleading. Furthermore the claimed intention (provide a service to players to ease in game PLEX selling) makes no business sense in combination with a negative ISK fee unless you include the real money part.
BUT what if the scheme is altered to give out the Jita sell price -1 Mio in fees for the service? Then it would become RMT with a bad exchange rate.
Somer is the receiver of the real money hence it's actually a better rate for them. ... and the benefit looks still strong enough to encourage people to buy PLEX through their affiliation program.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:59:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:I read Somer's proposal text in full (linked on his site) and if you do, it's pretty obvious IMO that the wording and order of given information is intentionally misleading. Furthermore the claimed intention (provide a service to players to ease in game PLEX selling) makes no business sense in combination with a negative ISK fee unless you include the real money part.
BUT what if the scheme is altered to give out the Jita sell price -1 Mio in fees for the service? Then it would become RMT with a bad exchange rate. Somer is the receiver of the real money hence it's actually a better rate for them. ... and the benefit looks still strong enough to encourage people to buy PLEX through their affiliation program. Yes...and it would still be RMT, and thus not allowed by CCP rules. Or so I would have thought a few days ago, at any rate.
Sure, but without a clear ISK-valued benefit for the consumer there would be not much difference anymore to any other 3rd party service being financed through CCP's affiliate program and player's ISK donations.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 11:28:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Yes...and it would still be RMT, and thus not allowed by CCP rules. Or so I would have thought a few days ago, at any rate. Sure, but without a clear ISK-valued benefit for the consumer there would be not much difference anymore to any other 3rd party service being financed through CCP's affiliate program and player's ISK donations. You're missing the point. It is classified as RMT because SOMER is exchanging an in-game service (PLEX buying) for an out-of-game payment (using their referral link). This means they're trading in-game services for real-world currency which is the definition of RMT.
So does for example Dotlan ...it's an valuable in-game service financed also through a GTC/PLEX buying link. Although, as I stated earlier, this is a more indirect connection it still generates real money from an in-game service. To be clear, I'm not defending Somer/Markee, but I would consider it a challenge to formulate clear rules which do not harm all the other presumably non-profit services.
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